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    Scientific Jargon vs. reality
    Diane · 12/24/02 at 7:45 PM ET

    Dear Sir,

    Scientific trappings or no, preverbal states do exist. I have been trapped there myself, so rather than quote research papers or a theory which attempts to frame something so that people like you might have a clue, I will address this from personal experience.

    In a preverbal state I can hear, but I do not understand language. The sounds people make are just tone and timber without content. I cannot respond, because there is no direction there in that language for me. I don't even understand the intent. I have no muscle tone, but am limp and passive. I have no desires or drives in this state, but just barely exist. And none of this is directed consciously, because in this state I do not think, I do not form pictures with or without meaningful content in my mind, and I am barely conscious of my surroundings. My mind is empty and still.

    So please, unless you too have experienced this state and can speak to this issue in a knowledgeable manner, do not attempt to inflict your ignorance on us.

    Diane

    Replies:
    • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by McFall, 12/24/02
      • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe, PhD, 12/25/02
        • No worries, by Diane, 12/25/02
        • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Barbara, 12/25/02
          • Thanks, by Diane, 12/25/02
        • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by McFall, 12/25/02
          • about medications, by Diane, 12/25/02
            • Re:about medications, by McFall, 12/26/02
              • dissociation and hypnosis, by Diane, 12/26/02
                • Re:dissociation and hypnosis, by Anonymous, 12/27/02
          • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Anonymous, 12/26/02
            • please clear up my confusion, by Diane, 12/26/02
              • Re:please clear up my confusion, by Anonymous, 12/26/02
                • Re:please clear up my confusion, by Diane, 12/26/02
                  • Re:please clear up my confusion, by Anonymous, 12/27/02
                  • Re:please clear up my confusion, by Diane, 12/27/02
                  • Re:please clear up my confusion, by Anonymous, 12/27/02
                  • Re:please clear up my confusion, by Diane, 12/27/02
            • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by McFall, 12/26/02
              • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Ricky Greenwald, 12/28/02
                • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Cahill, 12/28/02
                  • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Anonymous, 12/29/02
                  • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Ricky Greenwald, 12/29/02
                  • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Cahill, 12/31/02
                  • Re: Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by McFall, 01/11/03
                  • Re: Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe, PhD, 01/16/03
                  • Re: Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Cahill, 01/16/03
                  • Re: Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe, PhD, 01/17/03
                  • Re: Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Barbara, 01/17/03
                  • Sandra, by Cahill, 01/18/03
                  • Re:Sandra, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe, PhD, 01/18/03
                  • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Ricky Greenwald, 01/18/03
                  • Request for Ricky, by Cahill, 01/19/03
                  • Re:Request for Ricky, by Ricky Greenwald, 01/20/03
                  • Re:Request for Ricky, by Cahill, 01/20/03
                  • Re:Request for Ricky, by Cahill, 01/20/03
                  • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Barbara, 01/20/03
              • Re:Scientific Jargon vs. reality, by Forgot To Include Name, 01/20/03
                • Forgotten Name, by Cahill, 01/20/03
                  • Empirically Supported Treatments, by Anonymous, 01/20/03
                  • Re:Empirically Supported Treatments, by Ricky Greenwald, 01/20/03
                  • Re:Empirically Supported Treatments, by Barbara, 01/21/03
                  • Re:Empirically Supported Treatments, by Barbara, 01/21/03
                  • Re:Empirically Supported Treatments, by Cahill, 01/21/03
                  • Re:Empirically Supported Treatments, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe, PhD, 01/21/03
                  • Disseminating EMDR, by Cahill, 01/26/03
                  • Re:Empirically Supported Treatments, by Barbara, 01/23/03
                  • Always drink coffee, by Cahill, 01/23/03
                  • To Anonymous regarding ESTs, by Cahill, 01/21/03
                  • Re:To Anonymous regarding ESTs, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe, PhD, 01/21/03

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