Is it possible that we will see the rest of Dr.Stone's comments ? Thank you Jim for all the insightful information . Once meds are in place how does one attempt to alter the shame/humiliation loop ? Does anyone have experience with time-limited control techniques such as Frank Ochberg's Counting Method ? How does this technique and others being investigated in trauma,EMDR,Thought Field therapy fit in ? Are they simply loop breakers ? And how /where do they have a place in chronic PTSD ?