Thanks for your response, Rich. I will look for the book you suggested. I'm glad you like Don's compass of shame---I have found it to be one of the most useful pieces of information I have ever run into. I use it all the time in working with victims and recently found it helpful with a DV offender, as well. The reason I asked about sex offenders is related to this same man. It is possible that he is a pedophile as well, though all of us working with the family are having a hard time putting our finger on it. The play therapist has been unable to get an outcry, but the facts (and my feelings)appear to point in that direction. I guess that since we've made such progress on the DV issue (by concentrating heavily on his way of responding to his shame affect---i.e., attack other), I HOPE that some of that will spill over should we not get an outcry and this guy gets his children back. Because it seems to me that pedophilia falls somewhere on the compass of shame (withdraw? or avoid?)with the added oomph delivered by powerful sexual wiring. That's difficult to overcome, but perhaps a good understanding of one's own shame mechanism MIGHT help even a pedophile. What do you think?