EMDR FORUM ARCHIVE, 2000
Re:NLP
Sandra Paulsen Inobe PhD · 03/27/03 at 8:56 PM ET
Here are answers to your questions, provided to me from Dr Shapiro: 1. Can you ask Dr Shapiro if she worked in the Santa Cruz offices of Grinder, Delozier and Associates some time in the 80s? "Yes, around 1985. I subsequently tried to arrange a research project which went nowhere because of the lack of clinical guidance given to the practicing therapist. The NLP guidance fundamentally was: Do what works and then we'll hypnotize you and find out what you did. That marked the end of my connection." 2. Did John Grinder teach her the technique he claims to have taught her? (an eye movement pattern, as described by Caefu). "No, he is mistaken. As I recall, in the mid80's John Grinder's technique for dealing with trauma involved what I believe he called "dissociation", having the person imagine himself in a movie theatre, watching himself on the screen and then running the movie backwards and then forwards. This might be the one that was tested a few years ago in Charles Figley's Florida project. If the technique described by Grinder is useful for treating trauma, I hope it will be written up and tested." 3. If this pattern has been in existence in NLP for some 20 years, why does she not acknowledge the antecedent, as is customary in scientific literature? This takes nothing away form what she has done since then. a) I'm not aware of any such pattern; b) it is not an antecedent of EMDR; c) I've described the antecedent of EMDR in full in multiple texts; d) the eye movements I initially used in EMD[R], as described in my articles and texts, are in no way similar to those initiated in NLP. They were multiple saccadic movements which I hypothesized were akin to REM. That is also the current evaluation by a number of neurobiologists.
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