Re: Taking a closer look at the findings of Devilly and Spence 1999

If you want to debate supposed false information that was given by Devilly please invite him onto this forum to discuss it with you. My name is not Grant Devilly and if you are going to personally attack his integrity then I encourage you to seek his clarification. Here is his email if you are serious about debating issues about his study:

dev@psy.uq.edu.au

Reading your last post I come to 2 conflicting conclusions: either you are purposely trying to misrepresent my comments or you do not understand the point I am trying to make. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and go with the later.

Regarding the treatment fidelity issue: Of course I agree it is important to perform the treatment as it is designed in order to assess its efficacy. This is something that is implicit in solid research designs and goes without saying.

The problem is that when the evidence comes out against EMDR proponents try to explain away failures by falsely bringing up the fidelity issue. When pro-EMDR studies emerge with the same supposed fidelity problems they are said to be solid research. As explained, Devilly demonstrated treatment fidelity in the study but EMDRers still claimed that he must have been doing it wrong because he did not get the "right" results.

Treatment fidelity has become a convenient way to explain away failure. When early on reseachers found disconfirming results Francine changed the training required and started a whole line of tactics to make EMDR unfalsifiable which continue to this day. The latest developments have been to try to combine numerous elements of other therapies so that EMDR cannot be differentiated from them.

EMDR must be some kind of "finicky" treatment that only produces miraculous results when those who believe in it use it. In contrast, CBT is a very robust treatment. There are lots of variations based on CBT technqiues which produce good results in a variety of conditions with a variety of therapists.

I hope that you are really serious in investigating the Devilly issue. Invite him to comment on his study.

Brian

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