Re: Taking a closer look at the findings of Devilly and Spence 1999

Brian, you took the opportunity to go into more detail on the Devilly study, but you didn't answer my question. Was it good science to cite those dropouts? I'd be happy to review his article in depth after I get an answer.

In one of your first posts to this forum you responded to a client who reported a negative result for CBT by saying "Most therapists say they are doing CBT but are only giving it lip service". (Those wanting the context can see it in the "Social Phobia" thread). In other words, you raised the issue of treatment fidelity as a possible explanation for the poor result. I didn't object at the time because I think it's a reasonable question. Apparently you only find it objectionable when Shapiro does it. By the way, I have an article in which McNally also raises the fidelity issue in explaining a poor CBT result. I'll be happy to post the reference later.

I haven't used anecdotal evidence once in this discussion. I'd be happy to argue the research on its own merits.

By the way, I realize I went ad hominem in my last post. Though my comments about McNally were positive ones, they were off the point and invited subjects to focus on his status rather than his conclusions and I apologize. Brian, It's OK with me if you want to discuss Shapiro or her training or the motivations of posters. But I think it ought to be a separate discussion. When it comes up in a discussion of the data it tends to happen when someone thinks they are in an empirical corner, which is where the discussion could be most fruitful. You and Don tend to bring up the emotional investment of the pro-EMDR side, they tend to bring up impressive clinical anecdotes, and both of these things are substitutes for, not enhancements of the data. I think it's fine if you want to bring all of those issues up on this forum, but I think it would be helpful to do it in a separate thread. Then we can all flail away and speculate about the motives and psychological well-being of our opponents without letting the research discussions get sidetracked.

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