Re: Taking a closer look at the findings of Devilly and Spence 1999

Ricky,

"I don't think that anyone who publicly posts an opinion regarding a published article needs to be challenged with the "chicken" question. "

If SR really wanted to discuss the issue seriously, SR should contact the source. What would it hurt to get both sides? Unless, that is, you weren't really seeking the truth in the first place.

"The Devilly and Spence findings re EMDR make this study an outlier in the literature, and as such, it is quite reasonable for people to try to account for this. As noted in prior posts in this thread, in the Devilly & Spence study the EMDR dropout rate was unusually high and the cure rate unusually low as compared to the rest of the controlled EMDR studies in which the reverse is typically found."

That's quite an interesting argument, Ricky. You say that because EMDR did not demonstrate its purported effectiveness then they must have done it wrong. This seems to be a blatantly illogical and circular argument to me. I guess it only works well when strident EMDR advocates conduct the studies.

"This is especially the case regarding EMDR, as we have seen some studies in which even level-2-trained therapists did not achieve adequate fidelity in some observed sessions. In this light, one could argue that one disadvantage of EMDR is that it is a complex intervention that, in some cases, is rather difficult to do well."

I hope SR is listening. SR questioned my assertion that EMDR has been changing since its inception faster than a chameleon changes its spots. At the rate that EMDR proponents keep requiring more and more training in order to properly administer EMDR, soon only Francine herself will have the experience required and be qualified enough to conduct all the studies.

I am not the first one, and you say so yourself, EMDR seems to be one heck of a finicky treatment. If no one but Francine and a select few can do it right, why should clinicians bother trying to learn it? It seems like a pointless pursuit to me. (Of course when Francine first announced her treatment, it was supposedly quick and easy. I guess as it failed to live up to claims, it has to keep adding things to compensate for all the shortcomings.)

It's always a pleasure,

Brian

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Re: Taking a closer look at the findings of Devilly and Spence 1999, by Sandra Paulsen, Ph.D., 4/4/00 Re: Taking a closer look at the findings of Devilly and Spence 1999, by , 5/12/00

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