Behavior OnLine EMDR FORUM ARCHIVE, 2000

    Re:Dangers of EMDR
    McFall · 02/05/03 at 9:09 ET

    “…I'm arguing with someone who thinks placebo may be as good as EMDR. On the other hand, I'm cautioning someone about the necessarily prep steps for EMDR, because its so far from a placebo that it can be disruptive if people aren't ready for it.”


    Sandra: By this statement, are you implying that since EMDR “can be disruptive,” it’s therefore (obviously?) more effective than placebo? If so, then by similar reasoning one could argue that Voodoo also is “so far from placebo” (actually nocebo) because it has been shown to be so disruptive (when used by, and imposed on, believers). The information and explanations provided by Cahill confirm, beyond any reasonable doubt, that there’s no evidence that eye movements/bls are more than placebo.

    While I appreciate your patience and long-suffering with those of us that differ with your POV, I also understand the hostility and scorn of those aggravated with your insistence that EM/bls is more than placebo (and/or that EMDR is distinctive from CT/CBT) in light of all the contrary evidence. And yet, because of your belief in EMDR, and, as I perceive, your empathy, I expect you yourself are a good therapist--but not because EMDR is anything more than CT and/or CBT, but because of your “belief,” and your ability to connect with, and perhaps motivate, your clients...you know, the so called common factors.


    Replies:
    • Re:Dangers of EMDR, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe PhD, 02/05/03
      • What is exposure therapy?, by Cahill, 02/05/03
        • Re:What is exposure therapy?, by client, 02/05/03
          • Exposure and retraumatization, by Cahill, 02/05/03
            • Re:Exposure and retraumatization, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe PhD, 02/06/03
              • Re:Exposure and retraumatization, by client, 02/06/03
                • Re:Exposure in the real world, by Client, 02/07/03
                  • Re:Exposure in the real world, by Cahill, 02/07/03
                  • Re:Exposure in the real world, by Ulrich Lanius, Ph.D., 02/07/03
              • Re:Exposure and retraumatization, by Cahill, 02/07/03
                • Re:Exposure and retraumatization, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe, PhD, 02/10/03
                  • Disseminating exposure therapy, by Cahill, 02/10/03
                • Retelling the Story, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe, PhD, 02/10/03
                  • Re:Retelling the Story, by Cahill, 02/10/03
                  • Re:Retelling the Story, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe PhD, 02/10/03
      • Re: Exposure & common factors, by McFall, 02/05/03
        • Re: Exposure & common factors, by Ulrich Lanius, Ph.D., 02/07/03
          • Re: Comments for Ulrich, by Cahill, 02/07/03
            • Re: Dissociation and emotion, by Fred H., 02/08/03
              • Re: Dissociation and emotion, by Cahill, 02/08/03
                • Re: Dissociation and emotion, by Fred H., 02/09/03
            • Re: Comments for Ulrich, by Ulrich Lanius, Ph.D., 02/10/03
              • 2 cents worth, by Sandra Paulsen Inobe, PhD, 02/10/03
              • Exposure therapy and Borderline Personality Disorder, by Cahill, 02/11/03
                • Re:Exposure therapy and Borderline Personality Disorder, by Ulrich Lanius, Ph.D., 02/12/03
                  • Re:Exposure therapy and Borderline Personality Disorder, by Cahill, 02/12/03
                  • One more thing for Ulrich, by Cahill, 02/12/03

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