Re: new article on EMDR

By all means stay on the list. It’s an excellent example of the level the debate is conducted on in many circles:

1) An article is posted written by the same group of cognitive behaviorists that have published approximately 90% of the negative articles on EMDR.

2) Dr. Knipe points out that from prior knowledge it will simply be a rehash of already rebutted material.

3) Without asking why Dr. Knipe believes this, Don’s rejoinder is: Don’t trust EMDR clinicians they are just "true-believers." Instead, trust the cognitive behavior therapists who say it’s just rehashed cognitive behavior therapy and exposure although, as has been pointed out in numerous posts above:

a) No controlled studies of cbt with PTSD have ever reported 85% elimination PTSD in three sessions found with EMDR in repeated studies.

b) According to the leading exposure researchers EMDR is not conducted in accordance with established exposure principles

c) Many clinicians thoroughly trained in cognitive behavior therapy, including founding members of the Association for the Advancement of Behavior Therapy (e.g., Fensterheim, 1996) say its an integrated form of therapy—Much more than just its cognitive behavioral elements

4) Don continues: Don’t bother to look up the discrepancies reported by Shapiro and others because Shapiro is the developer of the method. This is important because the tobacco companies line their pockets and so would Don, he claims, if he was in the same position.

5) Therefore, trust this group of cognitive behaviorists because when they say EMDR is just cbt they are really the protectors of science even though repeated misreporting of data has been documented in their reviews. Remember: Don’t bother to check on it, or bother with any of Shapiro’s scientific arguments because she’s an advocate for EMDR, while they are the true scientists because they’ve published extensively in cbt and Shapiro has only published on EMDR.

6) Put yourself forth as only a concerned and disinterested psychologist, but make sure to add in some name calling and ad hominem attacks.

Thank you for the excellent example of the debate that has raged now for the past 5 years.

I’ve given a large number of posts above over these last two days that contain all the science with sufficient references for anyone who cares to read and investigate them. Since you’ve closed the debate by claiming that everything I have to say is suspect, it’s clearly time to move onto other things.

Replies:

Re: new article on EMDR, by Don, 2/17/00 Interesting points Don, by Brian G., 2/17/00 Re: new article on EMDR, by Shapiro, 2/17/00

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