Dear Dale, I am what I am. And I am who I am (English major I am not). I appreciate your comments. Tonight in my office, I was working on a publication (hopefully a co-author project): Practical and Developmental Approaches to Working with Chemically Dependent Offenders (title is too long). My task is to edit, organize, and provide the developmental section, as well as contribute my personal and learned experience. It hurts me to see some of the counsleing that is going on with addicts and offenders. I prefer to work from the cognitive position, I revert to it, I get lost in it (I'm a INTJ on the Myers-Briggs). Head games are too easy, which is why I embraced Gestalt in graduate school. Your comments about 12 step and gestalt are (or at least they seem to be) coming from the same place Joe and I are working from. All I can be, is what I am, and who I am, which is me. I like the quote. Thanks. I'll be back with some questions and comments about Gestalt and 12 Step work in the near future. PEACE.