Gil ...I've been thinking about what you wrot. Thought for today: My belief is that thinking systems is the only way tothink. Because (I think) I was a hippy of the 60s, I always saw the world, personal and organizationn thru a system montra...we evaluated our effectiveness as organization change specialiss by our ability to predict systems results/reactions. I never was a therapist, so I think I never saw the world you describe. My study with Ron Lippitt over 20 years taught me that the only way to see the whole system is t have a true microcosm in the room and accept that each person's truth is truth == then combine those "truths" and you see the whole picture Based on that picture, the microcosm will come up with answers that will in fact work. It occurs to me that I'm sitting here on this Wednesay morning just letting my brain go..probably doesn't make sense. What does anyone elso think? K.D.