Re:Comments on Andrade et al., and Kavanagh et al.

Mr. Cahill,

Your posts are always fascinating. :)

Ok, you quoted Shapiro as saying, re: the funciton of em's:

"(3) induction of a profound trance state (analogous to hypnogognic sleep state) in which the client accepts self-induced suggestions"

Well, to me this sounds like a "loop" then, in emdr, would be self induced. Or healing would be self induced, too. In other words, like in any therapy, client attitude is very important and a large indicator of otucome.

Back to self induced loops, which makes the client more responsible than saying it is "activated" (very passive). So much of "advanced" emdr focuses on interweaves or other interventions to open up those loops. But -- just a thought -- what if the client doesn't want out of the "loop"? I think this is what is known as client resistance to emdr.

But -- this is my point -- overcoming client resistance to emdr does not employ emdr. This seems important to me, I have heard the joke "need to do emdr to get over my fear of emdr". Anyway, the way emdr therapists deal with that is to use non emdr talk therapy tools (ego state theory, cbt, etc). Um, so how do you tell effect from emdr, when finally used, from the effect of those other therapeutic interventions?

On a personal note, I am, after all, a client, I think I am feeling a bit hoodwinked... and since I see a very well known emdr therapist, well, that makes me feel a bit beaten up, like the only client who is untreatable. I haven't even done emdr in five months, only been told how resistant I am to treatment... While the cognitive and ego state elements of "overcoming" my resistance have worked something approaching miracles in my life, emdr it ain't. Which would be fine, I can shell out money for any sort of help... if only my therapist would stop throwing the issue of my inability to do emdr in my face.

In the end my support for emdr is fast waning. I think bls/das does something unique, but I can't tell what... and no one else has been able to tell me, either.

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